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Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

by paranoia agent in

the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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Part 3

The Parent ego state is developed during childhood, usually from 0 to 5~7 years of age. During these years the child is heavily influence by its parents in a time that very little meaning could be constructed, so the child takes information from the parents without editing.

Why is the sky blue, why do people get angry, why why why? Asks the child in which the parent responds with many no's and don’ts with a horrified or angry face, the feeling of guilt follows. Also, what is god's name and the child replies Jehovah, you cannot trust anyone other than Jehovah’s witnesses says the parent, etc. The point is that what the child absorbs regardless if it is negative or positive all this info is as true to the child and it's a powerful influence when the child becomes an adult, for better or for worse.

For example, the mothers love, the father’s kindness, and the sense of being protected, thus in adult the Parent ego state can be protective and helpful. But also with all the no's like DONT TOUCH THAT STOVE, the child will not touch it for not wanting to be spanked but as a parent it is so the child does not end up with 3rd degree burns because children cannot perceive getting their hands burned until after it happens. Being brought up as a JW going to the kingdom hall and witnessing, socialising, and listening/visualising my parents greatly influenced me, my way of deducing information when I got older, until we decided to change (by our Adult ego state) our Parent ego state acquired from youth it does not change.

Now that you have an idea how the Parent ego state is developed, and after you have watched the video you should start to see a pattern.

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Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

by paranoia agent in

the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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Frazzled UBM :If you are not aware of all psycholgical explanations then you can not say the your most cogent psychological explanation is cogent.

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Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

by paranoia agent in

the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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Frazzled UBM: I will show how parents and their Parent ego state which includes their beliefs (religions, culture and other views) and behaviours affects the child's ego states.

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Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

by paranoia agent in

the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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Part 2

I am a bit disappointed in the manner that I worded part 1 so let me sum it down.

Psychoanalysis explanation of conscience (Id), subconscious (Ego) and unconscious (Super Ego) are all concepts to understand our mind, however TA ego states are psychological realities.

As I tried to explain cognitive dissonance to many this and many other psychological theories although proven to be true can be difficult to clearly explain it to others. TA is easier to understand because it is logical to many who don’t a background in psychology.

TA teaches that we have 3 ego states, Child, Parent, Adult, we can change from Parent to another ego state in real time.

Both Parent and Child ego states are developed when we are young and changed after 5 to 7 years of age by our Adult ego

The purpose of this thread will not be to discuss TA in full but child indoctrination and possibly communicating to those in the cult.

In the meantime watch this video, part 2 and 3 of this video series is not relevant to what will be discussed in this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNyFSLJy6o

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Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

by paranoia agent in

the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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Oubliette :Yes I know, I will try to be more concise with my wording. There is still a lot to discuss but it is a simple concept to think and use once it's understood.

cliff: Completely 110% aggree with you here, but you have to understand that I am not finished explaining TA as I wrote This is a very simplified explanation but it should give you a clear understanding on how easy it is to apply TA ,, so yes I was not going to leave it at that. Also note that I won't be explaining TA in full but child indoctrination which is part of the Parent ego state and maybe I might dwelve into communication to those who do not want to listen

The books I have are TA today, Games people play and I'm OK, You're OK. TA today is my favourite but I recommend Games people play to others becuse as you wrote its a good primer.

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Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

by paranoia agent in

the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

paranoia agent

The purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us. We are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because it’s too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.

Look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that I explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.

My very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -TV or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the USA during the 70's and 80's. It turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading. The discrepancy lies on behaviour, we don't want to be seen as lazy so during this state of mental anxiety we tell ourselves that television news is better than the news quality on paper.

Now there is a form of therapy which is easier to understand known as transactional analysis which covers many aspects of us and others.

The purpose of this thread is not to explain everything but just child indoctrination and how it should be understood. We all may know that what occurs in childhood will be part of their adult life. For example a child born from racist parents has a higher chance of becoming prejudice towards other races, children born in 3rd world countries are more comfortable lying and stealing from others including friends and family, and rapist may had been molested or mistreated when they were younger. Last, and this has more to do what will be discussed, a person born from religious parents mostly likely will be in the same religion in their adult life, geographically religion proves this notion, but all is not lost, this is all in a general sense, there can be different circumstances but in general the way we are nurtured plays a crucial part in our adult life.

TA teaches that we all have 3 ego states, Parent, Adult, Child.

Parent is when we are judgmental or concerned about something or others

In adult it’s all about the here and now, e.g. What is the time? Its twelve thirty.

Child is us in a state of sorrow, guilt, rejection. But also creativity and the desire to explore

An example between two people

Person A - you made a huge mistake and I expect you never do it again or you're fired!

Person B - I am really sorry, it won't happen again I promise

Here we have a transition of communication between A and B, A as the Parent and B as the Child

This is a very simplified explanation but it should give you a clear understanding on how easy it is to apply TA , you will never see social interactions in the same way you did before. There is a lot more to it as we will see.

Both Parent and Child ego states are developed when we are children and plays a crucial part in understanding ourselves in adulthood.

Due to a lack of time I will need to leave this for later.

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The distinction between cult and religion.....

by NoRegrets in

another great article from the ted talks.

opening quote really tells it all: "the distinction between cult and religion lies squarely in how those leaving or those wanting to leave are treated.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eliyahu-federman/when-organized-religion-become_b_3996139.html?ir=ted+weekends&ref=topbar.

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Cold steel: if I leave the church am I shunned?

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AGM 5 OCTOBER 2013 (UNOFFICIAL RUMORS)

by WatchTower87 in

- 23 day to go .. annual meeting unofficial rumors.

- new bible.

- new nwt (revision).

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It's going to something like the end is very near so instead of going door knocking lets hand out big volumes of literature on one spot

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Literature carts are the cruisiest way to preach ever - photo attached

by jwfacts in

it was a perfect spring day, and a jazz band were playing in the mall near my work.

in front of the band, two watchtower literature carts stood in solidarity.

i could not work out who were the jws attending them.

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CubanGringo Thanks, had to ask as it looks similar to an area around the CBD, I might keep an eye open next time for some reverse indoctrination. I am think of a of something to put next to it "for every free magazing or booklet you are contributing to shunning among family members and the support of many past and future unecessary deaths, visit jwfacts.com for more info"

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Musings about different types of atheist!

by Seraphim23 in

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a thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.

or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.

after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?

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Seraphim23 wrote : paranoia agent I base the assumption on the view that Genesis as a book has obviously large sections that are not literally true. Man evolved and didn’t come from Eden according to the evidence from DNA and other sources. The archaeological history of the Jews is at odds with biblical record in some instances and so on. On top of this the picture of God himself is not consistent on many levels when these things are taken as literal. Plus there are other sources of spiritual insight about God that happen today that contradict the traditional picture of God of old times. Even Paul says we see through a glass darkly. Where light does shine, as with strong scientific evidence, I tend to go with it, because if truth does exist, then it doesn’t contradict itself!

There is so much here explained abstractly so allow me to discuss one section at a time.

I base the assumption on the view that Genesis as a book has obviously large sections that are not literally true.

I either understand it or I don't or I have reasons to believe in it or I don't. This is not to mean that I don't make mistakes and that I don't assume, we all do to a certain degree like I assume that the doctor knows what he is doing and I assume that the police is actually a police officer, however I do not believe in apriori assumptions, explained below.

http://youtu.be/14JavH4Rk7k

The problem I see in believing in biogenesis and evolution is:

a) This refutes the doctrine of original sin thus Jesus did not die for us

b) Many past Christians believed in false doctrine, even preached from the NT by Paul and others.

c) Biblical doctrine could be subjected to even more changes in the future possibly making your views redundant

The archaeological history of the Jews is at odds with biblical record in some instances and so on. On top of this the picture of God himself is not consistent on many levels when these things are taken as literal.

I take it that you are not ignorant of the biblical clashes going on. A Muslim apologist said to that the Koran is true, its just that current scientific (we were discussing science) discoveries has not caught up to it. You could had taken this presuppositional stance but you decided not to. You could had taken the side of Marcionites or the Ebionites. You seem to use current findings to interpret your current view of what the bible is so let me ask you.

Could you be wrong about god of the OT and NT and why not?

Plus there are other sources of spiritual insight about God that happen today that contradict the traditional picture of God of old times.

How do you know that there is only one deity? And these insights that you know, was it God?

Even Paul says we see through a glass darkly.

Then what is the point in believing in such an incoherent book. Now don't give me its not just the bible, without it there wouldn't be Christianity.

Where light does shine, as with strong scientific evidence, I tend to go with it, because if truth does exist, then it doesn’t contradict itself!

But you are not interested in truth as you have already made an apriori assumption about god. Science has disproven god along time ago by Galileo but you seem to want to keep re writing history, philosophy has disproven Yahweh even longer. What about Enoch2 from the Dead Sea scrolls that speaks of a flat earth? What about all the contradictions in the NT, and all the gore, rape, cannibalism, genocide in the OT?

By you picking and choosing what to believe in you are also contradicting the bible, speaking where it is silent, part of the sin that all religions make.